Thursday, December 8, 2011

Sick of Liberals: Top Ten Reasons Why

beatles_suck_420 (OP) • Thu Dec 08, 2011 05:45 PM
1. I'm sick of your hatred for people who are financially successful 

2. I'm sick of you thinking corporations aren't people, when by definition that is what they are. 

3. I'm sick of Rachel Maddow acting like she is an economist and knows what is best for the economy. 

4. I'm sick of you thinking the federal government is God. 

5. I'm sick of your hatred for nationalism, freedom of religion, and the family structure. 

6. I'm sick of your ignorance regarding budgets and the bond market. 

7. I'm sick of you thinking that college should be free. 

8. I'm sick of you thinking that it is a good idea for the federal government to force everybody to buy health insurance from private companies. 

9. I'm sick of OWS and the nonesense being spewed. 

10. I'm sick of your liberal faces.

Thursday, October 13, 2011

tea partiers should be FLIPPING the f out

you realize that whether or not you agree with the protest, there's a bigger issue here of constitutional rights. if you're happy that OWS will end because you disagree with the message, then you're extremely lost and unable to see the big picture.

tea baggers should be FLIPPING the fuck out right now about these cops breaking up protests. this should give them a spaz attack maybe even an aneurism but it doesn't, they just sit there and say "obamacare bad" "liberals bad" ::throws their own shit against the wall:: this is exactly what they were all bitching about when they started up. constitutional rights.

Monday, October 10, 2011

Fair, Unfair, and Ron Paul

Unregulated capitalism/crony capitalism, which we have today, is very unfair and has a lot wrong with it.

Fair = properly rewarding those for their hardwork = what capitalism should be

unfair = subsidising the status quo to remain wealthy, in power and w/out competition = what current US capitalism is.

Paulites want to double down on the deregging. Because banks and wallstreet are already too heavily regulated. So is big energy.

Basically they're idiots.

failed argument steeped in logical fallacy

""Bringing history into the mix is NOT my argument. My argument is strictly NEEDS and VALUE based. History only brings things into context. The Federal Reserve was established about 100 years ago by Wilson, Gold standard dropped by Nixon, and all in between and NOW all the sudden we have people protesting the man. Things are bad, don't get me wrong, but they aren't THAT bad....well, not yet anyway. These next 12 months will definitely be one for the history books. Regardless, how is the general concept of "greed" (which is completely RELATIVE) warrent violence? I know things aren't violent yet, but all the great protests/revolutions have ended with bloodshed."""


You didn't bring history into your "The world has always been unfair. THEREFORE it can never change nor should we try" That's not history it's a failed argument steeped in logical fallacy.

Things are very bad.

perspective helps. How old are you? What do you do for a living? Did you grow up in wealth? Atheist or theist?

Perception is reality. Where you come from/what you are helps define your perceptions. It's relevant this "Debate" or whatever.

Corporate apologists' narcissism hard to take seriously

Harshing protesters flatly = lil bitch

Protesting has lead to great change in this country. You disagree with something and therefore it's worthless? Whenever a stance is taken and the point to back it up is narcissism it's hard to take seriously.

You're suggestion above is over simplistic and assuming. Not taking into consideration larger contexts of depressed economy, minimal current demand, minimal ability to procure that which is in demand, eco climate that doesn't support small biz models etc.

I run a small business and hope these protests continue. If anyone on here thinks we live in a true capitalistic society they're fucking retarded.

And a persons value isn't directly equal to how much money they can generate from milisecond trading. Another overly simplistic stance of yours.

Essentially the concept of value to you is only = to money. Pretty sad world you live in.

gigantic facts, protest validation

To simply ignore GIGANTIC facts like the complete erosion of the manufacturing industry in our country (less than 7% vs. 53% at its peak) and to somehow insinuate that jobs are out there if you put the real hard effort into it when they are simply not (and won't be because we are competing with slave labor) is childish.

That coupled with the fact that anyone would attempt to justify the complete and utter exploitation and irresponsible behavior of much of the financial industry (specifically commercial banks now acting as investment banks and the total lack of regulation or proper legislation that allows this) is willfully ignorant.

The value of financial derivatives alone, mostly now issued by a few commercial banks, are valued at four times the Gross World Product. We have been completely raped by financial tools that were poorly understood or purposefully exploited. We are paying the price, literally through our tax dollars and the good faith in the US dollar. 16 trillion dollars in printed money that was issued by the FED and for which we have no information about.

So, despite the misguided manifestation of these protesters and their general naivety and apparent youth, simply suggesting what they are, at the core, protesting is not valid and that they are 'whiny' is borderline infantile itself.

Your Grandma does not provide much value to society.

First off, this isn't whining: It's a protest. Thanks.

And you're right, we're not all delt the same cards. That's why we have civil society in order to level the playing field. Are you saying that investors and hedge fund managers have more value than the people at NASA? Do they have more value than your sick grandmother who can't work? Do you have more value than a janitor? Income != Value. Income is about how much money you can juice out of everyone else. That means that typically the higher your income, the more convincing of a thief you are. Who actually produces value, eh?

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Umm...okay, if you really want to debate.

1) Financial people do create a lot of value. They provide money for companies to function to hire you, to offer your grandma a job, etc. In fact, they provide loans to companies that make parts for satellites, etc. that NASA uses. It's not anyone's "right" to just be given money that isn't there's to do with it what they wish. These financial people have to make hard decisions deciding what are good investments and what are not. Unfortunately, they are often not punished in the longterm financially, but that does not negate the value that they provide to society as a whole

2) your grandma who cannot work DOES NOT provide much value to society. Maybe she DID when she worked or raised her kids who raised you, but that work is passed. Going back to the banker. How much money has your grandma loaned to strangers to start business and employ people that aren't family members?

[ed note: yikes.]
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I suppose that we need a definition of "Value." My definition of "value" stems from providing real and tangible benefit to society en masse. Your definition of "value" are people who create marketable products. If we lived in a world where the rising tide raised all boats, then our definition would be one in the same. We however don't live in that world.

1) The decisions made by these financial supermen are what shipped jobs away. They lobbied for decades, nay, two FULL CENTURIES to loosen trade and monetary restrictions. Their motivations have been to swell their own bankrolls and increase the amount of control their sector has over the world. That's IT. You have some view of the idealistic capitalist marvel, putting money in the hands of only the peoples most beneficial to society. This is not the case. In our current system, profit is not based on what is better for all but rather how someone can best manipulate and coerce both the consumer and market itself. Credit Default Swaps are not valuable to society obviously. Fast food is not obviously all the good for society. However, paying your workers dirt at all costs and increasing your quarterly earnings at all costs are the behaviors that drive these folks. Tricking nieve collage students into getting 4 credit cards is a TOTAL WIN to these people. We're not talking about It's A Wonderful Life kinda bankers. We're talking about Wallstreet kind of bankers. They are not your friend. They live to syphon and the ONLY reason they hold sway is because their influence and value to the system of capitalism has been created by their past syphoning. Banks are not good players and the bottom line is a horrible measure of "value."

2) My grandmother was a poor example. I'm not saying she should be making millions of dollars for shitting her pants and forgetting my birthday but I am saying that reducing her ability to live comfortably since she doesn't add "value" is inhumaine.